Its definitely a different dynamic from things like uni friends where its a smaller and tighter group that you hang out with them in person all the time though. #711: Is it rude or wrong to invite myself to someones house? Eh. When you stop by at work for a hug there is an easy, I have to get back to work reason to end the encounter. Britney: No, WERE (gestures back and forth between me and her) going out. It hurts to be the one being downgraded, but when it happens the only thing to do is respect their wishes and give them space. And then people wouldnt call, and theyd say things to me later like, Oh, I didnt hear from you so I thought you didnt want to get together. So frustrating, as is that other Northern California custom of texting someone on the day of an event to say, Are we still getting together at X time? Well, of course we are I agreed, right? i agree with a lot of what youre saying, being part of a group does not automatically mean that you are invited to all the things, that is very true. What was once acceptable dropping in randomly, a friendly chat over the mail, etc. Not everyone is commfortable having other people see the house in that state (and if you only just about have the spoons to manage those basics, you probably dont have the spoons to entertain anyone else, much less do extra baking or bothering with fancy soaps). Its like the whole late/early thing. If it turns into a huge social thing it tends to be bad. Do they really need to get out of the car in these conditions because of your preferences? For me, the polite behavior for the person waiting for the ride is that they come out to the car with no prompting. He was like uh, okay? and I was like dude you never come up and get me anyway; sorry!, This is another one that varies greatly depending on culture and region. So yes, for a lot of people it IS shame-cleaning. Not everyone has great insight into their own emotions. My phone was broken so I couldnt text, and I guess the sign of the times is that I didnt even think to use the landline! So, my mother has started beseechingly claiming that she doesnt care about mess in my apartment. Thanks again guys! I want to come to stuff, but I dont log in that often so I miss a lot of posts.. Im not the kind of person who would appreciate a random drop by. It is interesting to see all the different perspectives here it really is individual-specific! Sometimes it's totally fine. Weekend, so chance to sleep in and do chores. What counts as nothing pressing? Maybe they want to go home and do a Netflix marathon or something. Examples: Oh, Im in the neighborhood, Ill just come by your house. No. Want to come? I am right there with you! The situations in this response arent sticks to beat yourself up with, they are ways you can be more confident and comfortable in making plans with others. Maybe grab coffee/Indian food? Its funny, because my boyfriend is the opposite. But thanks. I know a lot of friends who would hate to have that surprise. I really like to have control over when I am around people. Most of my visitors seem to think the words Please sit down and let me bring you a cup of tea, mean Please follow me into the kitchen and check out all the dirty dishes and the crumbs on the worktop. Im not asking them to pick up on subtle cues, Im using my words, but they tend to ignore it. I have a friend that makes me crazy, because we have interactions like this: Friend: Hey, are you busy next Saturday? On your FAMILY vacations?? Bye oops grab the dog please. Especially because Im a person who is constantly worried about if Im inconveniencing them or pressuring them. We slept at one anothers houses. 4. I *definitely* wouldnt invite myself to someones house in that situation (even if in years past it seemed like I was welcome to do so). There aren't any hard and fast rules. And this has been proven time and time again. Im actually good at reading body language and other social cues, when everyone around me isnt lying to me all the time. A different friend also didnt receive her invite, and she very reasonably expected to. Finally I think he invited you because he might want to spend a few good times with you like watch a movie or maybe he wand to do the next step to kiss you or just tell you he likes you or something. HOWEVER. Because theyre way closer friends with me than him. I have a completely different set of habits, displayed personality traits, etc. Or maybe I just had other plans for the next hour and now Im going to be behind on the day. I wonder if perhaps we are related distantly. Or as they are also known, mess-makers. Use direct language, such as, "How about homemade lasagna and the new James Bond movie at your place Friday night?" Like, if shes playing with toys in a waiting room and we have to go, I dont say, so, are you ready? because of course she isnt. I grew up in a small town where unexpected visits were totally normal. Floordrobe! (Im sorry I have a lot of issues around this sort of thing ahahah). I explained that to my friends in advance before ever accepting an invitation and when I do get there early I offer my help in setting things up. I get where youre coming from, and there are some benefits to brutal honesty, but not everyone is comfortable with being brutal to friends. But it seriously blows my mind. Later you could even tell her that you assumed when you hadnt seen her that she wasnt coming by. The sorts of people who like unexpected drop-ins will respond seamlessly with the right noises, the ones who dont can say sorry, busy or even yeah, lets go to Local Coffee Shop. The other day I was mentioning to one of my close friends , K, about my sister's new nintendo switch. I really really hate it when people use cultural differences as a convenient excuse to behave badly.It makes me feel like it's my fault for not knowing how things are supposedly done in this country. Ill pick you up at such-and-such time. But I guess this goes hand in hand with another (also common in my social circles) practice, that of regularly making tentative plans that are never executed. I love being around people and socializing, but only if Ive had time to gain some energy/prepare for these hangouts. It hadnt occurred to me that it would come across that way, and Im sorry. If she does make plans with you and invest something into the friendship, I think switching to Im going to be in your area running errands, want to meet for coffee/lunch/whatever? is going to prevent any future issues. I have optimized getting MY needs met and didnt even consider whether or not it made you feel uncomfortable., Let me help you be more efficient by removing one social obligation from your list.. To ask for the presence or participation of: invite friends to dinner; invite writers to a conference. This is a serious problem in our tabletop games groups. I dont really see the problem there, you were invited, you didnt want to go so you declined. First, apologize for coming over uninvited at an inconvenient time. Be female. You: I really enjoyed meeting you, Id love to get together sometime soon., You: So happy to hear it. And when someone turns up unannounced, without invitation, I do worry that the person might have a wildly different balance of needs to me, and that responding positively the first time sets up a precedent and an understanding that I am Cool With That. You may be as creative as you want, and if you are competent at cooking, they will be impressed if they say yes to your invitation. I think its easier for both sides to send a text. If this were a healthy friendship, that would be fine. She said said I was the one getting married, I could invite whomever I wanted. Now they just accept that they cannot ask to be let up to my apartment pretty much ever instead they ask if I want to do something or meet them downstairs. She still isnt invited and she still isnt coming in. Asking a little in advance gives me a chance to refuse if Im busy or say yes enthusiastically (and shame-clean) if Im not.. I totally agree with youthat comment seemed kind of shamey, like things were so much better when people actually talked to each other kind of thing that we get when the topic of talking to strangers comes up. Me: I have a thing in the morning. talked about what to do if someone seems open to making plans initially, but you never actually seem to make plans, Questioning Questions | Aceso Under Glass, Follow CaptainAwkward.com on WordPress.com. But I did start noodling around on Twitter more recently, and all of a sudden I started getting more invites from my friends who use Twitter as much as I do. Its both a blessing and a curse when people know youre at home all day because it also happens to be where you work. Then you can say, What are you doing later/tonight/this weekend? and theyll say, Hannibal marathon with X and Y, want to come? or even, I was thinking about heading down to the new brunch place, and you can try something like, Ive been meaning to check that place out! which is not QUITE inviting yourself along but can land you an invitation. Ive had people get upset with me before because if I am not expecting a visit/you have not called/you have not asked in advance, I straight up will not answer the door, period, end of sentence, unless it is an emergency of some kind. If a friend texts me to say Hey, just bought a new bike at the shop around the corner, can I stop by on my way home and show it to you? then I wont mind coming out onto the driveway for 10 minutes to admire the bike and catch up. Her invitation to her casa is the next step to a fling or long-term relationship. If shes the one who called you out for inviting yourself, then you know now that shed prefer you wait for an invitation. This is not the first time Ive had it rough with best friends or high-intensity, close-knit groups. Letter Writer, I hope this gives you some clarity, and lets you put your dads mean voice in your head to rest. Then, make a conscious decision to switch your focus elsewhere: on another new friend or date, on a hobby, on a great book youre reading, on showing up in some way for the people you already know and love. About three weeks out, I did a last run through the response list, and figured out that one friend who I had been discussing the wedding with had never responded. There are people who use boundaries as a tool for good and people who use them as an excuse to be douche canoes. Eventually the pursued individual just grows weary of all the unwanted attention, and starts responding sharply (if they respond at all) when the other person wont gracefully take the hint and back off. Yet because these folks are in my social orbit, its pretty obvious that if they want to make time for some other activity or person (not necessarily even a friend) they can usually manage to find it. They would be all excited to go out on Friday night, explicitly invite me but not set up any details, then the day before or day of, I would text so where are we going and when? then hear nothing back. When youve got more than one of them going on working full time PLUS kids/pets/whatever you dont even need a particularly high level of inculcated shame to feel that way. I hate drop-ins, for many of the above reasons. I expect that this is remarkably relevant to the whole I need to clean because someone is about to visit issue these days, houses are smaller than gentry-and-nobility houses, and we mostly dont have parlors separate from living areas. I mean, if someone said I was driving by but didnt want to drop by in case it was rude (or even if you said I saw you driving by, why didnt you say hello? and they said that was the reason) then you could reassure them that youd be happy for them to come by any time. ! and ive also been very upset when people just presume im available at any time, because sometimes it comes across as a lack of respect, like oh surely i have nothing going on and am just available whenever you happen to be around. BUT.is it because you assume that is the case when you happen to know someone was in the area and yet didnt drop round? (When I am up for visitors) the people welcome in my home fall into two categories: Family, and Company. Either way, I am put in the position of doing something I may not want to, or forced into having a difficult or awkward conversation about how or why I dont want to do that thing with friend. Not asking if the woman feels safe meeting at home. Absolutely not for me to drop by but also not for other people to drop by here. So for me, it was natural to live that out as an adult in a city with a person I was becoming close to. Even short and enjoyable visits can be ruined by not knowing when they will end. I was there to do a hobby that most people arent interested in and that I was going to spend most of my time there doing, and the rest of it resting. Cleanliness and organization goes for your bedroom too. You could then and could now. They allowed me to make soft nos and those soft nos were more often accepted, because hey, were asking if youre free right now so if you say no well go do our thing and move on with our lives instead of sending a bunch of follow up texts trying to lock you in to a date. I am always super nervous that when I say hey, can Boyfriend come along to this big group thing were doing? that people say yes just to avoid social conflict and they all actually are pissed or something. For me, its a bit like physical contact boundaries. So maybe but I guess will never know. SOLIDARITY. Visit with the parent while the kids bash about. Ill say something like I didnt know I was invited because nobody actually told me I was, and Id think it would be rude of me to just show up And theyll shrug and go, well, of course you were invited! All it proves is that you didnt get an invite to that event. Either she isnt interested in the friendship, in which case you pulling back will make everything easier and less painful for both of you, or she does want to be friends but minus surprise visits, in which case you are giving her space to reach out and make the kind of plans with you that she would actually enjoy. First of all guys don't smile to other girls unless they like them. Answer (1 of 6): "I'm sorry, but I wasn't aware that I'd issued an invitation. I think it was Phyllis Diller who said that she used to, when people arrived to visit and it looked as if a tornado had hit the living room, say in a plaintive voice, Who could have done this to us? Even things they planned. I only have to clean ME, I do not need to scour my house for stray articles of clothing and actually go through the three piles of mail on my dining room table. Not everyone does. There was a short and unpleasant phone conversation, and I mailed her a new invite. ", (Hearing about a party an acquaintance is throwing) "Sounds like fun. The nice thing about a heads-up text is that its universally appropriate. I too have been in a fairly fighty friendship that was often, like you say: wow I have no idea why we are in this situation. I think thats *incredibly* relevant to this issue. You: There is a court at my place. There are just times where people won't explicitly invite you to something, but will be happy if you came. So I guess the implications will just have to come along too. Yeah. And now were all sitting here awkwardly because we cant talk about dicks with him around? So a man who came by during those hours would be required to stand on the porch or at most in the foyer and state his business. Every time I have invited my mom to any of the apartments Ive lived in, shes always found something to criticize about the cleanliness. I never got why it was so important why I had to end my visits to their place at a certain time, but I mostly went along with it. You know this, I'm sure . SERIOUSLY this is a big one for me. Certain people, certain times in my life, I have been 100% okay with showing up unannounced at their place and vice versa. Hrm. Out of context, proposing that you drop by to show off your new bike doesnt sound like a big deal, if only because (Im guessing) the bike implies youre not going to stay long. I poured out my heart. Going on for eight paragraphs about what awesome food you will have, in front of someone who is not invited to eat the awesome food, is unkind. Homemade meals, as old-fashioned as they may appear, can be hearty, flavorful, warm, and simple to make. i hear you, and i for sure do not think you should have to explain to people why you do not want them glued to your side at all times. I was recently called out for inviting myself over to my friends home to show off my new bike. Since she instead replied, Dont invite yourself over, Id take it as a sign that she really just needs some space. Luckily for you, this article will show you every tip you will need to get to your end goal. Sometimes people will ask me this less than two hours after the original making of the plan. Just follow these tips Alan Garner lays out in Conversationally Speaking: Keep a dual perspective. I had a hard time getting back into the workforce with a gap in my resume and have since earned two degrees (for a total of four, now) to make myself more marketable. All the needs to happen after that is showing up, right? drifting? captain awkward i found these tips really helpful, thank you . I just had my birthday party, so I had a bunch of friends over last weekend, and my apartment hasnt been so clean since.I threw my birthday party last year, I think. Back in high school when I lived in that neighborhood, people would more often than not wait in their cars unless they wanted to stop in and chat before we went wherever we were going). There are old social scars that still ache. Also, the very few times Ive had someone text because they were walking by, they usually invited me down for a walk, rather than inviting themselves up into my space. Of course, these are people who I am not close to or do not like very much, and who I would have a hard time saying no to/will not accept I am busy and we cannot visit now as an acceptable answer. Pack a bag for your sleepover. That suggestion is for adults who dont know each other all that well, not close friends like your son and T., and not children. In the time before cell phones, or when Ive lived in more rural settings or traveled outside the U.S., the norms were and are different. *I am the still, deep, blue water* I used to, when my father called called me on inviting myself over to a classmates home for her next birthday (I said lets do x instead of y next year) when I was 7 or 8. I dont understand it. I am a messy person, who not only doesnt wear a bra in the house but who habitually spends the entire day in filthy pyjamas with un-brushed hair if not planning to go out. It would be different if I was hanging out with two people and then only plotted with one of them. I have two minds about dropping inpartly, I really like it because of my mental issues, I can go from I need to be alone for an undisclosed amount of time to I would feel significantly better with company in a very short amount of time that can foil even the best-laid plans. They lived an hour and a half away. dont surprise anyone in their sanctuary So much this. Its like, oh for gods sake, just knock on the fucking door at this point, its not like I can text you go away when youre standing AT MY DOOR. That works, if I am available/up for a visit (I have a lot of health issues to deal with and sometimes even if I am not doing things I just cant handle having someone there) I can politely decline. This happens here every. And started pointedly talking about being hungry around 7pm. One guy showed up with his brother, cooked one meal, and then they sat on their butts and didnt lift a finger for five goddamn days while partner and I did all of the cooking, cleaning and tidying. (And the good thing is you can be like Im going to be in the CBD today, who wants to get lunch? or can someone come visit me this week and Ill make cookies, studyings driving me up the wall.). Turns out those same people liked to gang up on me with emotional abuse and gaslighting. Or better yet, they would drunk-call me at midnight screaming WHERE R U? Maybe there are sub-groups within the group that function well together, and the person is only inviting one particular sub-group. If we set up a specific time, place, and activity, then I am definitely going and so are you, unless one of us says otherwise! Guy: Good! When can you ask again, if ever? I definitely make sure my friends all know that I might have to cancel closer to an event if Im feeling terrible (depressive/anxiety). Personally, Im of two minds on that. It was so helpful having the Captain unpack the dynamic of that sort of exchange. Im glad Im not the only person who got a needy vibe from that. Even hahahaha, I get what you mean. Pack lightly. This was actually THE reason we didnt end up dating. Much communication later, of course, things were happier. But it is very difficult to answer my son who keeps asking if he can have a playdate with T. Telling him that we have asked him twice, and now we have to wait for him to say something before we can ask again, just results in but I really, really want to play with T. Offers of inviting someone else over get, Can we ask T instead? I can keep redirecting that question, and even give a really specific no, because, but I really would like to invite T over, either to our house or to a neutral area like a local park. Unfortunately, it has also become increasingly common for burglars (disguised as solicitors) to case a home by ringing the bell to see if a residence is unoccupied. Sorry! And as an aside, its not stupid to not think of the landline, at all. (I particularly dislike it when someone asks are you free this weekend without specifying why they are asking!) I shame clean when someone unexpectedly needs to be in my apartment (my super doesnt need to see my floor underwear), sure, and I would be annoyed with the LW for a sudden drop by in part for that reason, but when I know company is coming in advance Ienjoy the clean? While at it, be sure to give him prior notice before the proposed hangout date or time, as if you ambush him he may cancel on you due to prior plans or even simply because his apartment is messy. He would not be able to remember to do it, would not choose a socially appropriate time and place to do it if he did remember, and would not issue an invitation that T would be able to understand, let alone accept. Im free next Thursday, if you want to try for then?. I love her dearly and wish I could see her more, but every time she does this I get hives and feel panicky and cornered and like my inability to see her on Day X is somehow a Thing That Is My Fault and I Suck As A Friend. When I really wanted to connect with someone, I used to read the soft no as a problem that I could solve, like, Oh, thats not a problem, I can come to you instead! I will deliver the free comic books to your house, along with ice cream, and that random vacuum cleaner part you once mentioned in passing that you needed! I looked at the reason for the refusal and ignored that it was a refusal.. My friend is also spacey as hell.). Im not sure why it would be unkind to continue to the conversation that was already going? Id advise you to take dropping by her house uninvited completely off the table. Ah gosh, my mum does that all the time! Also, partners hometown friends live near Vacation Place, and they frequently call him to ask when were going to be there, and then theyll just invite themselves out for a couple of days. So we were both missing eachother and thinking the other didnt want to be friends anymore. What does the Bible say about a grandparent's role, and how can grandparents be a blessing to homeschoo I say this, and I am a pretty easy-going person about not being invited to things. And it was all good. But so many people want to hang out all day. Talking/texting/chatting with one member of a friend group every couple of days can pay great dividends on group events, I have found. I would say that if a guy invites you over, just say "how about we meet at x" and change the plans before you label him as a creep. Different people have different expectations for what a friendship will look like, and different needs re: social and alone time. And if Im hiring a band and a caterer. His dads Belgian and his mums Irish and he grew up in Ireland but went to university in Belgium and hes been working in Austria for the last five years but he spends a lot of time in Ireland and I have NO IDEA which version he was using and I dont have his phone number!. Oh man, the are we still on for X question is really baffling to me! How do you meet your friends? Different strokes and all.). Ive decided that the purpose of my houses mess is to make other people feel comfortable about their own houses mess. A friend of mine once gave me the run down of her husbands birthday party, to which she had invited everyone in our friend group except me. Get him involved in the plans, but don't put him to work. I didnt want to post this in response to any one person, but Im a little confused by the way the definition of shame clean seems to be expanding? However, in todays society, things have shifted and women are taking initiative too. If it happens again, rinse and repeat. If the guy doesn't seem interested in your suggestion to get together at his place, let it go and move on. You could get his favorite game and ask to play at his house. Saying Would it be alright if I stop by for a bit in ten minutes? Maybe her social expectations are different to mine or what I grew up with. That goes for online engagements too. I'm Chris Macleod. But I cant quite think its rude to be five minutes early. I have recently realized that these vague but powerful negative feelings I always had are called anxiety, and for me they always centered around dealing with other people. I think that's often what's really at the heart of it when people ask if it's okay to invite themselves somewhere. Or by initiating contact in some other way? Depending on the age of the kids, you might get farther with a parent/kid invite T comes with the parent at the moment, you feed the parent tasty adult snacks and have stuff the kids can eat. If they dont act like they like me (even if they actually do but dont bother to behave like they do), they obviously dont want to really be friends. Id never get out of my car and go up to someones door when I havent been specifically invited; that would be really rude to me. There is no amount of money that exists that would get me to play softball (Gym class PTSD). I will take five minutes to make sure the chairs and table are usable and that there are no bras hanging to dry or sex toys sitting out in common areas. I personally would have been thrilled if OP had dropped by to show off their new bike but clearly that doesnt work for their friend. I am definitely guilty of the are we still on thing. What about a SO situation? Like other commentors Im totally fine with a Im in the neighbourhood can I drop by text, as long as the other person is fine with actually, Im really busy, maybe next time as a reply. 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