Click here to see your options for becoming a subscriber. We know that because Glenn put it up on his Instagram account. It's not clear to me how close he is to Trump. I don't know. - not quick-hit videos or, you know, shorter-term operations, which I think people say Mr. O'Keefe wanted to do. Defendants wrote and published a false and defamatory article about a Wyoming residents Wyoming-based business activities knowing that it would cause harm principally in Wyoming, New York attorney Matthew Schwartz charged in one filing. Later that year, Mr. McMaster? Its among a number of issues and motions that will have to be sorted out before a judge or jury would consider the accuracy of The Intercepts April article. Were just trying to hold them accountable for this industrial espionage.. So I thought to myself, why are they giving money to these people, these Democratic politicians? DAVIES: Right. That was the idea. In more recent years, Prince has remained a mover and shaker and a controversial figure on the international stage. But they thanked us for bringing, you know, putting some sunlight on this. The next year, during a presidential debate with Hillary Clinton, Mr. Trump claimed without substantiation that videos released by Mr. OKeefe showed that Mrs. Clinton and President Barack Obama had paid people to incite violence at rallies for Mr. Trump. Whether any Trump administration officials or advisers to the president were involved in the operations, even tacitly, is unclear. Sofia makes a contribution - a small contribution to a woman she had befriended who ran, unsuccessfully, for the Wyoming state legislature. If he enters the race, he would be challenging Republican incumbent John Barrasso in the 2018 primaries, with the encouragement of Steve Bannon. DAVIES: You know, the other thing that I wanted to just clarify to the extent I can is how much of a driving force Erik Prince was in this. As a subscriber, you have 10 gift articles to give each month. GOLDMAN: Well, I don't know if he is primarily the guy. When does he do this, and do we know why? She went to meetings. And he was pitching that plan, but it never got anywhere. DAVIES: Did any of them have opinions about whether these two had done damage? But I don't know how close they are. Prince noted he owned a home in Wyoming and had been connected to the state since 1992. I know that, you know, one of the first instances of his association with this - or maybe the first instance of his association - was in an Intercept article in which O'Keefe had posted a picture of himself firing a pistol with a silencer on Instagram. Presiding Judge Johnson, who is based in Cheyenne, has himself signaled some uncertainty about whether Wyoming is the right place for Princes case to be heard; in early November, Johnson asked the parties to submit additional briefs on either transferring the case to another district or delving further into the issues related to jurisdiction. And he ends up giving, you know, $6,000 to Wyoming Democratic Party and also money to other political figures. And as the Reporters Committee for Freedom of the Press summarizes, New York provides absolute protection from forced disclosure of materials received in confidence by a professional journalist, including the identity of a source.. '&charset='+document.characterSet : '')); And they start trying to make inroads in the Wyoming Democratic Party. GOLDMAN: No. GOLDMAN: Well, they - you know, they - Beau is from Cody, Wyo., so he had some Wyoming roots. Many conservatives have gleefully pounced on Project Veritass disclosures, including one particularly influential voice: Donald Trump Jr., the presidents eldest son. Visit our website terms of use and permissions pages at www.npr.org for further information. DAVIES: But the idea was that these public officials or FBI agents were secretly - they were part of the deep state. He's a Pulitzer Prize-winning reporter for The New York Times. And then I started Googling them and doing some research on them. They received training for covert operations at a ranch near Cody owned by Blackwater founder Erik Prince, where Maier's mother works as a cook. GOLDMAN: It's my understanding that they met during a training at the Prince ranch in Wyoming in the spring of '17 and then grew closer over time. "He is not registered in Park County or [Wyoming] presently, unless he is not going by Erik Dean Prince and has changed his name," Park County Elections Deputy Pat Cole said in a Sept. 17 email; he said Prince hadn't voted in Wyoming since 2000. Erik Prince, founder of private . You know, a big question about the stories that you've described is, is this activity illegal, what the couple did in Wyoming, you know, presenting themselves as - dishonestly as active Democrats in order to get information? He added, With Trump getting 70 percent of the vote, it shows how the Democrats have been able to control our elections with putting on a Republican coat., Mr. Gordon took office in January 2019. But what is clear is if Beau and Sofia made these campaign contributions - right? This espionage operation was aimed at perceived enemies of Trump and included a planned sting operation against former national security adviser H.R. GOLDMAN: Beau does. 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Prince is separately under investigation by the Justice Department on unrelated matters, according to people familiar with the case. A local farmer was utilizing the land to grow corn and soybean crops, but the potential for the ranch was far from being realized. What kind of inroads did they make? And, you know, and he is - you know, he's an international businessman. He was the one who replaced Michael Flynn after he was fired. GOLDMAN: The Georgetown house in D.C. was used as a base to, you know, essentially launch these undercover operations in the summer of '18, I guess, into the fall and maybe later. At the center of the scheme was an unusual cast: a former British spy connected to the security contractor Erik Prince, a wealthy heiress to the Gore-Tex fortune and undercover operatives like. Trump, of course, wanted to pull out. You know, there was one exercise, I believe, where they had a cop - you know, a local cop who was there. Connor Wroe Southard. But I think - you would think that Democrats and Republicans would all be united, that this is a bipartisan issue, right? I mean, this is - you know, he no doubt sees them as a conservative ally, like other conservative networks. At the time, Prince was exploring the possibility of mounting a Republican primary challenge to incumbent U.S. Sen. John Barrasso, R-Wyo. So Erik Prince, the private security contractor who is an ally and avid supporter of President Trump, connects with Project Veritas, who does these videos, and then they develop this whole different operation. '&charset='+document.charset : (document.characterSet ? Do we know? Female undercover operatives tried to entrap FBI agents, sometimes using fake dating app profiles, and State Department employees, the Times reports. They targeted The Washington Post. GOLDMAN: Project Veritas is founded by James O'Keefe. You know, this is something we haven't seen, right? Other outlets, however, have continued writing about the contractor. It was unclear whether Mr. Seddon was involved in planning that operation. It argues the article was not defamatory and the challenged statements would be protected as opinion based on disclosed facts., The dispute over jurisdiction could have a direct impact on the case. And, I mean, they were both active, but she was literally, you know, infiltrating these Democratic groups. We are speaking with Adam Goldman. DAVIES: Let me reintroduce you again. They've targeted CNN. Im not ashamed of the methods that we use or the recordings that we use, he said. In 2017, he met with White House and Pentagon officials to pitch a plan to privatize the Afghan war using contractors in lieu of American troops. This item is available in full to subscribers. Mr. And they targeted a reporter, a Washington - a very good Washington Post reporter named Stephanie McCrummen, who - they picked up on it very, very, very quickly GOLDMAN: And figured out that this woman was not who she said she was. While he has not been actively involved in Wyoming politics specifically, Prince comes from a political family he is the brother of U.S. Education Secretary Betsy DeVos and is an active political donor. You know, O'Keefe has clearly raised a lot of money, you know, millions of dollars. They targeted NPR. It seems like the Democrats have figured out this party switch deal to their advantage, Mr. Friess wrote in an email obtained by Wyofile, a political news site in Wyoming. Remind us who he is. Prince also allowed Project Veritas to use his familys Wyoming ranch for training. And ultimately, it did blow up in their face. Both operations were run by Project Veritas, a conservative group that has gained attention using hidden cameras and microphones for sting operations on news organizations, Democratic politicians and liberal advocacy groups. Was he primarily the guy who got this thing moving? #Veritas pic.twitter.com/4IFvjKurGK, In the pending defamation case, Princes attorneys have cited that reporting as evidence The Intercept knew Prince did his business from Wyoming, going as far as to allege the articles unstated focus was on Princes reputation and livelihood in Wyoming., The Intercept attorneys, however, pointed to past statements from Prince and records indicating he lives in Virginia. And then he stays on working for a Project Veritas till roughly June of '18. Erik Prince conducts business around the globe, but in a pending lawsuit, he says he does the bulk of his work from Wyoming. For his part, Prince swears he never met with anyone from Wagner Group a denial The Intercept included in its reporting. O'Keefe did not respond to the substance of the Times' report but did accuse the newspaper of running a "smear piece" on Project Veritas. var m3_u = (location.protocol=='https:'? He did not respond to follow-up phone messages or an email. DAVIES: And then Beau and Sofia married, right? However, he ultimately did not challenge Barrasso in 2018 nor did he vote in those off-year elections, Prince acknowledged in Octobers revised declaration. It is, instead, an entity dedicated to a specific political agenda.. Prince provided funding to hire a tech adviser to ascertain the authenticity of the emails. And, you know, Seddon then reached out to, you know, a family - an old friend who had worked at the FBI. So he's certainly moved in this world before. DAVIES: So an active player in the Trump world. I mean, he - it seems that - it's our understanding that Prince introduced Seddon to Project Veritas. And they received what was essentially clandestine training at a ranch in Wyoming that's owned by the family of Erik Prince. Did it expand their operations? Prince said he thought hed registered to vote when hed obtained a Wyoming drivers license in October 2017. 1-307-754-2221. When a muckraking news site published a story alleging private security contractor and Blackwater founder Erik Prince had offered his services to a Russian mercenary firm, the connections to Wyoming were not obvious; the state was never mentioned in the piece. GOLDMAN: Well, again, this is a little murky. I think Trump pardoned at least one. You know, Princes are pretty savvy. Prince and Mr. Seddon met in August 2018 with Susan Gore, a Wyoming heiress to the Gore-Tex fortune, Ms. Gore became the projects main benefactor. Mr. Seddon launched his privately funded spying effort after leaving Project Veritas in 2018. GOLDMAN: I believe that O'Keefe has interacted with Trump. Months later, in June 2019, a report said we are expecting a big haul, including new lines of intelligence on the Republican side of the house.. He was dismayed, three former Project Veritas employees told the Times, with "O'Keefe's desire to produce quick media content rather than to run long-term infiltration operations." Erik Prince, a political novice and former Navy SEAL who made a fortune in contracting security services to the U.S. Military, said in an interview with Breitbart that he will announce in the coming weeks whether he will challenge Barrasso in the Republican primary. Erik Prince decides that Project Veritas needs something new. But her picture was on this website. Prince noted he owned a home in Wyoming and had been connected to the state since 1992. Prince had hired a former MI6 officer to help train the Project Veritas operatives, The Intercept wrote, but it did not identify the officer. And they were deeply critical of Trump. Between 1992 and 2001, Prince often listed Park County as his home, consistent with his voting records. Mr. Seddon was not. Why are they there? We're still trying to fully understand how Project Veritas, which is founded by James O'Keefe, actually came into contact with Erik Prince. So O'Keefe's Instagram photo, you know, led people to realize that, you know, Prince had played a role, at least in letting Project Veritas use the ranch for training. You know, she attended that. And, yeah, people steal lawn signs. But it was not her real name. But I didn't reveal that I knew Beau and Sofia had lived at that house at the time because we were working - concurrently, we were working on this larger story about them. So while Times staff members may vote, they are not allowed to endorse or campaign for candidates or political causes. Published October 16, 2017. GOLDMAN: Yeah, I would say an active - sure, an active player in certain parts of Trump's world, yeah, or conservative - the conservative world. Last year, the House Intelligence Committee made a criminal referral to the Justice Department about Mr. DAVIES: This is FRESH AIR. Over the past year and a half, The New York Times has reported on an effort by conservatives to train operatives in undercover spy techniques to infiltrate progressive groups, political campaigns, unions and the offices of Democratic and moderate Republican elected officials. And if they were given money, if the money was distributed by this former spy, Richard Seddon, and they pulled from that pot of money, which was part of that operation, that could also be problematic. Friday crash claims lives of Powell sisters, Powell resident now leads open lands organization, Authorities say they caught Cody man selling meth, Game and Fish plan set for aquatic invasive species threat, 128 South Bent StreetPowell, WY 82435 Mr. Princes role in the effort, which has not been previously disclosed, sheds further light on how a group of ultraconservative Republicans employed spycraft to try to manipulate the American political landscape. You know, they were angry too, right? DAVIES: Right. We rely on our journalists to be independent observers. Read more about the operation and its cast of characters at The New York Times. So he's going to pop up in all sorts of different places. I believe he was involved in an effort to battle pirates in Somalia. The Powell Tribune was unable to learn Prince's voter history from 2002 and 2017. We'll talk about Project Veritas in a moment. I mean, we know that Erik Prince was trying to sell a plan to the Trump administration to put these - for him, in fact, to put a private, you know, army of a bunch of mercenaries in Afghanistan and sort of take over those responsibilities from the government, sort of, in some ways, replace the U.S. forces on the ground there. Along with gathering intel, Maier and LaRocca sought to bait individuals associated with Better Wyoming into making statements they could secretly record and hand over to their clients. Mr. OKeefe and others shared social media photos of taking target practice with guns at the ranch, including one post from Mr. OKeefe saying that with the training, Project Veritas will be the next great intelligence agency. Mr. I'm not sure that just because he's a conservative, this is something he wanted to help. What does that tell us about Erik Prince? And so Sofia's picture was up there. Erik Prince, the founder of private military company Blackwater, whose sister Betsy DeVos was Trump's education secretary, trained the spies Their job was to find out who was disparaging Trump. However, after the Powell Tribune questioned some apparent inaccuracies in his Sept. 16 statement, Prince acknowledged misstating a couple of his connections to the state. But, yeah, this kind of actual infiltration and spying, I don't think I've run across that. WASHINGTON Erik Prince, the security contractor with close ties to the Trump administration, has in recent years helped recruit former American and British spies for secretive intelligence-gathering operations that included infiltrating Democratic congressional campaigns, labor organizations and other groups considered hostile to the Trump agenda, according to interviews and documents. And, you know, there were a whole range of people they went after. You mentioned that he was recruited by Erik Prince. To win his case, Prince will ultimately have to show the story was false and he may also have to prove the publication knew the story was false or showed a reckless disregard as to whether it was accurate. The former Navy SEAL gained fame for the supporting role his Blackwater firm played in the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, but the security contractor became infamous when its employees killed 14 Iraqi civilians and wounded 17 others in Baghdad in 2007. If Judge Johnson concludes he lacks jurisdiction to hear the case in Wyoming, Princes attorneys say the suit should be transferred to the Southern District of New York, where The Intercept is based. In a book published in 2018, Mr. OKeefe wrote that Mr. Trump years earlier had encouraged him to infiltrate Columbia University and obtain Mr. Obamas records. [I] was a Wyoming resident for many years, he told Brietbart. Well, that and - by the way, at some point - I don't know the time period. What was this about? It's a conservative group, and they conduct undercover operations, for instance, to expose bias or what they would describe as, you know, wrongdoing primarily in liberal circles. To do so would potentially reveal the sources identity, in breach of a promise of confidentiality made to the source, and creating personal risk for the source, they wrote, adding Princes real motive in bringing this lawsuit obtaining the identity of [The Intercepts] confidential source is plain., Further, if Prince is allowed to take discovery of The Intercept, the lawyers say they should be allowed to probe Princes ties to Virginia versus Wyoming, since he already has been forced to admit [his sworn statements] contained certain falsehoods.. DAVIES: They targeted ACORN. The list included John Cox, then the director of the Wyoming Department of Workforce Services, and Scott Talbott, then the director of the Wyoming Game and Fish Department. Meanwhile, Prince is once again registered as a Park County voter. Prince to help him secure funding is just one of the new details about Mr. Seddons operation revealed in documents obtained by The Times and interviews with people familiar with his plans. What was going on there? Erik Prince, founder of the private military firm Blackwater, helped raise money for a political-intelligence operation run by Richard Seddon, a former British spy. He's a former British intelligence officer who served in Washington, D.C., and in Pakistan and eventually leaves the British Secret Intelligence Service and develops some relationship with Erik. So flesh out the picture a bit. Richard Seddon, trained conservative operatives first at the Prince family ranch in Wyoming, then at a large, $10,000-a-month house near Georgetown University. (SOUNDBITE OF FRANK ZAPPA'S "EAT THAT QUESTION"). The group has also become intertwined with the political activities of Mr. Trump and his family. And they stopped the - they would actually stop the operatives in a car. [CDATA[ DAVIES: Wow. Is that what these interviews were about? DAVIES: Right. And so we're all familiar with that, I think, to some extent. Did it help, you know, Project Veritas raise more money? Why were they targeting H.R. Private property rights are a major cornerstone to how Wyoming operates, but so is prioritizing a rural, quiet lifestyle - ultimately, the former won out in Sublette County. We're going to take a break here. But, you know, over 18, they - it grew closer. Erik Prince, founder of the private security firm Blackwater, filed a defamation lawsuit against The Intercept last month over an article published in 2020 that examined his efforts to sell. But when I learned about Beau and Sofia last year - there's a website, Project Veritas Exposed. Why did they want to embarrass him and get him out of the government? And, you know, these were - they were not really long-term operations. GOLDMAN: Richard Seddon is a former MI6 spy. A document that month said that Mr. Seddons operatives had identified three potential sources in the new governors administration and have begun accelerated cultivations with a view to early recruitment., Later in January, the operatives wrote that they had successfully recruited another source with a role in the new governors administration, adding that the source has agreed to provide insights, help expose corruption and assist with eventual placement of undercovers.. DAVIES: So how did you come upon this couple, Beau and Sofia? Sofia is from Maryland. The Powell Tribune was unable to learn Princes voter history from 2002 and 2017. That includes a pair of donations he made in March and October, in which he apparently listed his address as a post office box in Middleburg, Virginia. Erik Prince, the founder of Blackwater, a private security contractor firm used extensively by the administration of George W Bush, is said to be "seriously considering" challenging Wyoming. Beyond involving a different pool of jurors and a different judge, Prince may have a better chance of learning the identity of The Intercepts sources if the case stays in Wyoming, where there is no specific shield law protecting the confidentiality of reporters sources. Given Mr. Princes extensive personal and professional ties to Wyoming, it is certainly plausible that some or all of [The Intercepts] sources to the extent they exist at all were located in Wyoming, Princes legal team wrote. Mr. Seddon and Ms. Gore did not respond to messages. Prince a former C.I.A. We know that political operatives will gather opposition research as it's called - right? DAVIES: What was on those videos? Blackwater Worldwide founder Erik Prince is considering a Republican primary challenge to Wyoming Senator John Barrasso, a senior member of the Senate GOP leadership team, in a race that could pit the party's establishment against insurgents inspired by allies of President Donald Trump. McMaster was thwarting the president's agenda - right? DAVIES: This is FRESH AIR, and our guest is Adam Goldman. "He's a very nice man," Prince said of Barrasso in the Breitbart interview. Seddon left the project in 2018, before O'Keefe started releasing low-impact "unmasking the deep state" videos. GOLDMAN: Yes, very wealthy and very conservative. And, you know, typically they would have a male individual working for Project Veritas who would accompany these women on these dates as sort of, like, security. And his supporters have vilified us. GOLDMAN: She was very active. And they targeted - Project Veritas had a whole series. Wagner which The Intercept described as a semi-private military force that operates in countries or conflicts where the Russian government seeks plausible deniability for its activities reportedly turned down Princes offer. O'Keefe writes about it in his book. WASHINGTON Erik Prince, the security contractor with close ties to the Trump administration, has in recent years helped recruit former American and British spies for secretive. And that one was made public. Last week, our guest, reporter Adam Goldman, co-authored a story about a couple who ingratiated themselves with Democrats in Wyoming, often making substantial political contributions to ensure their access to valuable information. There's a long backstory there. He recruited a British commando to help - this guy Gaz Thomas, who I guess had knew Seddon through his days at MI6. But the effort is a glimpse of a vigorous private campaign to try to undermine political groups or individuals perceived to be in opposition to Mr. Trumps agenda. I have always understood him to be a resident of Northern Virginia, the lead writer of The Intercepts April story, Matthew Cole, wrote in a declaration. Two other employees, Gaz Thomas and Samuel Chamberlain, were also identified in emails and appeared to play important roles in the Michigan operation. To continue reading, you will need to either log in to your subscriber account, or purchase a subscription. Neither party wants to be, you know, exposed to this kind of spycraft - right? Of course. DAVIES: Right. And so these people were brought on to help manage these many, many, many, many operations. However, the story quoted a former U.S. Treasury official who suggested simply making an offer to assist Wagner might have violated current U.S. sanctions in place against the Russian firm. You know, again, as when Barbara Ledeen, the staffer for the Senate Judiciary Committee, which was run by Chuck Grassley, you know, was trying to find Hillary Clinton's missing emails, and Prince gets involved in that, too. 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